This week’s episode of Destination Linux, we’re going to discuss what’s needed to take Linux desktop over the finish line. Then we’re going to pay our respects to Sir Clive Sinclair with a very special Treasure Hunt. Plus we’ve also got our famous tips, tricks and software picks. All of this and so much more this week on Destination Linux. So whether you’re brand new to Linux and open source or a guru of sudo. This is the podcast for you.

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Segment Index

Tip of the Week:

Being more Efficient in the Terminal

!! – Repeat the same command Ex: sudo !!

cd – Change Directory:
cd … = go up a directory using
cd = go to home directory

history | grep some command

Comments

  1. But I don’t wanna go main-stream! :slight_smile: When the normies discover ANYTHING and it becomes popular, all the problems start, especially corporate greed, spying, monetary things etc. Stay small, stay golden pony boy.

  2. I have to agree, this was a very good episode and will likely stay one of my favorites. Thanks for giving this such good coverage.

    I also have to agree with @dasgeek in that, while I use gnome, I don’t really see it presenting the polish that Linux is capable of. But I also disagree that it should be KDE. (as much as i find it sickeningly professional and impressive, and harbor a secret jealousy for its ridiculous volume of options and settings!)

    I wonder if Cinnamon would be a better ‘polished front’ to put forth for Linux (once the memory leak issue is sufficiently fixed, of course). It retains a solid start-menu-esk legacy, and has just enough options to scratch a ‘customize’/tweak itch, but not enough to overwhelm a person.

    Think of it like a Desktop Environment Restaurant:

    • GNOME = Pancheros (We got (3) things on the menu… but they are all amazing, and why this place is always packed!!!)
    • CINNAMON = Cracker Barrel (Mostly food you recognize and you can pick your sides and SPICES!)
    • KDE = Here’s the ingredient list, nutritional value table, carryout menu, and gas station snack aisle. (just in case someone wanted these options)
    • XFCE = Like a mom & pop diner. People come here because they like it.
    • LFS = Here’s the cook book and a pairing knife.

    And Jill’s comment about the membrane keyboard made me think of on-screen keyboards… a similar look, feel, and just as awkward to use. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Keep more of these shows coming!!!

  3. Just spent 30 minutes writing a considered reply in a YT comment only for it to be deleted by some bot. But am stubborn s.o.b. so I joined the forum and here goes again :slight_smile:

    The overwhelming problem for Linux DE in terms of general adoption is the perception monster Michael mentioned. Linux users, especially Linux old-timers, typically don’t help with their insistence that beginners plunge into CLI, arguing (with justification) for it’s efficiency and that it’s “how Linux works” but, all too often, making statements such as “Well if you can’t be bothered to learn, you’re using the wrong OS - go back to Windows or Mac!”

    Martin Wimpress said it very well when discussing his primary goals for Mate - to paraphrase him: He wanted a distro he could recommend to family and friends he would NOT have to spend hours of his life providing tech support for!

    Your typical long time Linux user is very comfortable with CLI, so much so that they struggle to empathise with how profoundly alien it is for newcomers. More than that, almost by definition, such people have not spent years on Mac or Windows and most often, simply do not understand that people can be very nerdy or geeky or have been enormously productive using computers for decades AND not know anything, or want to know anything, about the Linux CLI.

    Good examples are your typical Mac-using audio engineer, video editor or graphic designer, i.e. people with highly technical knowledge. Such a Mac user is very likely to have never, or only very rarely, opened up the terminal app - despite the fact that as a ‘unix like’ OS, it’s incredibly powerful what can be done ‘under the hood’. They are professional computer users, not, as Wendell would say, “computer janitors”.

    My essential point is that for such advanced, experienced users the CLI is AN option they typically never use with Mac or Windows OS’s. While it is too often presented as THE option they must use if they expect to be productive with Linux DE’s. I’m not saying this is even true - but it is what gets repeated ad nauseam, especially on Linux help forums and especially by the minority CLI snobs.

    Whether on Windows or Mac, 99% of what they need to get professional work done and their hardware optimised to do it, is accessible via GUI tools, and from their perspective not having quick and easy access to such tools is a massive backwards step. It is incredibly, unbelievably patronising to suggest to such people that they’ve spent the last 20 or 30 odd years just plain doing it “wrong” or that, if they don’t want to learn Linux CLI, they’re “lazy”.

    I’d also argue that those distros that have become increasingly popular in recent years - POP_OS!, Mate, Mint, etc, have become so largely because most new users can get most stuff done with decent GUI’s to support app installation, system updates and typical every day tasks. The CLI has become more ‘optional’ than default, and that’s a good thing! The more polished, user friendly and intuitive the GUI the fewer new users switch back to Mac or Windows.

    The marketing for a distro that would sweep Windows aside like dry leaves would be very simple:
    “I’ve been using “xxxxxxx” Linux distro for over a year and I haven’t HAD to open a terminal window once!”

    I think that statement is very probably true for many thousands of Linux users, and that needs to be seen as a huge step forward for Linux and celebrated very loudly, not seen as being any sort of ‘dumbed down’ retrograde step.

    I also think that the potential for new users to come to Linux in the next year is bigger than ever previously - the ducks are lining up! Whether it’s Steam Deck and Proton for gamers, people getting sickened with M$ Win 11 b.s., or the enormous potential of Pipewire to bring over professional audio and video people - the winning distros will be those that provide GUI tools to get the important stuff done quickly and easily. CLI will always be there for when people feel curious or want to ‘lift the hood’.

  4. Mint 16 was my first introduction to Linux… Gosh! Have I been using linux for 5 years now?!? It makes a fantastic first impression, and it is brimming with small features that just make things approachable. (Take the ‘Computer’ icon on the desktop, for example… Open it up and you can see all of your drives at a glance.) Things like this seem small, but speaking for myself, I panicked when I couldn’t find the ‘C:’ drive!

    Mint is a good solid suggestion.

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